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Interview Ilse Zaal-Schuller

Interview Ilse Zaal-Schuller

Parents and caregivers of children with an intellectual disability can also contact the Networks Integral Child Care (NIK) for questions and advice. To help them further, a Doctor for the Intellectually Handicapped (AVG) is affiliated with every NIK. But what can these doctors do for this group? We asked Dr. Ilse Zaal-Schuller. She works as AVG at the Prinsenstichting and for the Amsterdam UMC at the academic outpatient clinic for children and young adults with (very) severe mental and multiple disabilities at the Omega Foundation.

'An AVG can add things that a paediatrician pays less attention to. This specialized doctor has expertise in the field of disability-related problems. We include somatic, neurological and psychological problems in the treatment and look at the context of the child. There may be problems that are very specific to this target group, such as behavioral problems or self-injurious behaviour, which a pediatrician sometimes knows less about.' Ilse Zaal-Schuller therefore advocates that the AVG and pediatrician work together more often, especially with complex problems, so that both expertises look at it. 'The AVG often works closer to home and, for example, sees the child at a specialized day centre. Together with the parents, we look at what care the child and his or her environment needs. I have insight into what form of care can be offered to help the family, such as parenting support, home guidance or accommodation options. Parents can then share the care and occasionally go to the hairdresser or gym. That often makes the difference whether they persevere or not.'

Transition to adult care

An additional challenge in caring for children with intellectual disabilities is when they become adults. The direction of the paediatrician must be transferred with all its consequences. 'Patients who live at home are often handed over to their GP. But it mainly works on demand and waits for people to come to it with complaints, while you have to work more proactively with this target group. They do not report it themselves if they have complaints. Patients and their families can then feel very lost.' In recent years, therefore, there have been increasing calls for lifespan care to be instituted, so that patients automatically go through the transition from 18 to 18+. 'That is possible if a doctor can take over the management of a paediatrician, such as an AVG. It is nice for the family that the direction is transferred to someone with expertise in this area, but it also takes some getting used to. For eighteen years they have built up a relationship of trust with the paediatrician and then suddenly they get a strange face in front of them.'

Transition to 18+ in hospital

The transition to 18+ is also a difficult issue for this target group in the case of hospital treatment. 'Paediatricians and nurses in the pediatric ward know how to deal with these children. This is not always the case in adult care. For example, if someone has lung problems, it is a challenge to find a pulmonologist who has an affinity with this target group. Doctors usually find it complicated to examine people with intellectual disabilities. It would be nice if pedagogical staff could be deployed for support. Or if the permanent supervisor can accompany the patient to the hospital during an admission. But that has to be financed first.'

Making tradeoffs right

Quality of life must be the starting point in all choices for the patient. 'You always have to see decisions against the background of someone's life and see what is feasible. That is different per person. In this way we determine, in consultation with parents and supervisors, what is best at that moment.' This may mean that a treatment is sometimes done, but sometimes not. 'As AVG, we are trained to be able to make these considerations properly. That is why, if necessary, we sometimes decide not to treat, in consultation with the family.' That is why it is important that parents, counselors and specialists think and talk about what might happen and what scenarios there are. This is also one of the most important conclusions from the research on end-of-life decisions in children with severe multiple disabilities, for which Ilse Zaal-Schuller obtained her PhD. 'If a patient is admitted to intensive care or has to undergo a complex operation, it is important to know how everyone is doing. That helps to make the right decisions. I am in favor of having an AVG in every Children's Comfort Team to, for example, participate in decision-making regarding the end of life for these patients.'

Double the amount of AVGs needed

In general, AVGs are not always found for questions and advice. 'That is probably due to the relative obscurity of our expertise.' On the other hand, GDPRs are also wary of too much publicity for fear of getting too many healthcare questions that they cannot answer all. Matijn Coret, chairman of the Dutch Association for AVGs, recently reported on Skipr that the double number of AVGs is needed to meet the demand for care. 'We notice that patients who live at home in particular are longer on the waiting list and are less likely to receive AVG care or behavioral guidance. There is also a shortage of behavioral experts, which makes my work difficult, because we often look at what someone needs from a multidisciplinary perspective. It would be nice if more medical doctors choose our specialization. That's why we're going out on the farm and are working on coming up with a new name for our specialization. I like to advertise to show how much fun our profession is.'

Do you want to get in touch with an AVG? Then contact the NIK of your region . The network coordinator can put parents or caregivers in touch with a AVG in the area.

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